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freekedoutfish · Dec 05, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

For anyone who knows or has him;

Once you gain Razah in PvE, does he have a full set of Ritualist Normal skills and a max unique weapon?

Because if not, im thinking all the effort of DoA is worthless if hes a blank slate (assuming you dont have ritualist secondary skills).

Zinger burger · Dec 05, 2006, 12:23 PM // 12:23

err try random battles and get balth faction to unlock more skills if he is limited in skills, soz that seemd a bit obvious to me ><

freekedoutfish · Dec 05, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Zinger burger

err try random battles and get balth faction to unlock more skills if he is limited in skills, soz that seemd a bit obvious to me ><

And the bit where I mentioned...

PvE

..Seemed obvious to me!!!

Ninna · Dec 05, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Razah

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Default Skills

* Warmonger's Weapon
* Wielder's Strike
* Sight Beyond Sight
* Wielder's Boon
* Resurrection Signet

Gonzo · Dec 05, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

I don't see Razah as the reward for beating DoA, I see him as an extra. The accomplisment of having beaten that area that has made so many people whine about the difficulty is enough for me.

Pkest · Dec 05, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Zinger burger

err try random battles and get balth faction to unlock more skills if he is limited in skills, soz that seemd a bit obvious to me ><

Wouldn't that only work if you own Factions?

Mr_T_bot · Dec 05, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Zinger burger

err try random battles and get balth faction to unlock more skills if he is limited in skills, soz that seemd a bit obvious to me ><

You fail.

With what is required to get him, he should have a full bar of elite skills.

Yanman.be · Dec 05, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Pkest he would get balthazar faction and unlock nightfall rit skills.

Carth` · Dec 05, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Are you joking? Unlocking Razah shouldn't be a UAS for ritalists.

Should be the same as all other heroes, they can use whatever your account has unlocked.

MSecorsky · Dec 05, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Simply being able to get him should be reward enough.

Finally, an area that's flat out a real challenge.

Cebe · Dec 05, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

You could also use the Hero skill trainers to unlock skills for him. I'm not 100% sure but I think you can unlock Factions skills for sins and rits from some of them. Can anyone confirm this?

Mr_T_bot · Dec 05, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

He is a practically worthless hero if you don't own Factions, that should be reason enough to make him easier to get.

PS. All these poorly veiled attempts to make players buy other chapters should be a hint that Guild Wars isn't doing as well as everyone thinks and that Arena Net doesn't care as much about its supporters as people think.

Ninna · Dec 05, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Hero skill trainer locations -- Nightfall skills
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero_sk...iner_locations
(not a big Ritualist selection)

Pkest · Dec 05, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Pkest he would get balthazar faction and unlock nightfall rit skills.

I understand that you could unlock nightfall rit skill via pvp faction but since there are no core rit skills a nightfall only rit with 25 skills or w/e is pretty useless

Thallandor · Dec 09, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

i think the main point in this thread is:

Is Ritualist Hero worth the trouble and value (price of the 4 different gems) in comparison to its potential usefulness as a HERO in a party?

The answer atm is NO and its more like a vanity "item" currently more than anything else.

Edit: I agree, for someone without factions, its practically worthless.

Targoyle · Dec 10, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

PS. All these poorly veiled attempts to make players buy other chapters should be a hint that Guild Wars isn't doing as well as everyone thinks and that Arena Net doesn't care as much about its supporters as people think.

Wake up ppl, Anet is a company and companies need to make money to survive. Companies never care about there costumers, they say they do, but in the end its only there stockholders that realy count. They dont charge monthly fees, all there GW money comes from selling chapters. So selling chapters is the survival of Anet.

And IMHO, the idea of selling chapters and not asking a monthly fee was great for the first chapter but will be the dead of GW after a few chapters.

The total amount of players will stay the same but they will be so spread out that 90% of the mission towns will be empty then. Most ppl are in a small to semi-small guild and even at the moment with only 3 chapters most of the prophecies towns are empty (impossible to get a group), wth, its even impossible to get a full human group in some NF mission towns already.

just my 2 cents

Khaunshar · Dec 10, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

way to go off-topic.

Razah comes with a limited set of NF only Ritualist skills, and as has been said, is virtually useless without Factions. On top of that, Ritualist requires a rather different playing style, that even many players find to be too challenging, and the AI is simply bad at the following:

Defensive Spirit Spam they lose to e-managment issues of Shelter, resulting in never casting Shelter after the first one, but opting for the other spirits because for these, they have enough energy

Offensive spirit spam (the thing most wanted Razah for) the placement is pretty bad, and requires you to play him manually most of the time, locking his spirit skills otherwise he ll use up the spell long before battle and place a Bloodsong somewhere on the plain

Automatic weapon buff station: The AI doesnt handle multiple weapon buffs well, often overwriting or choosing the wrong one as it requires some intuition what effect is needed most.

Basically, if you want to use Razah, make a healer or channeler build. He is good enough for both.

chikorita23 · Dec 12, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Khaunshar

way to go off-topic.

Offensive spirit spam (the thing most wanted Razah for) the placement is pretty bad, and requires you to play him manually most of the time, locking his spirit skills otherwise he ll use up the spell long before battle and place a Bloodsong somewhere on the plain

Basically, if you want to use Razah, make a healer or channeler build. He is good enough for both.

I own faction and all the rt spirits skills... and I simply just make Master of Whisper using spirit, and.... AI can handle them well! *I use Communing 12, Soul Reaping 13+, and 1 or 2 curse spell* *No need Rt Lord, I always prefer Wanderlust's elite spirit knockdown attack*

Hero AI "Don't" spam ritualist offensive spirit in middle of no where!!! (Unlike ranger spirits)

I don't even need to lock his skill at all. And I'm sure Master of Whisper share same AI level with Rt Hero AI. Hero AI "will" cast binding ritual spirit when my group start attacking, so does Defensive spirits! So there wouldn't be a problem on worry Rt Hero AI.

I'd say for player who has own faction, or familar with ritualist skills, the new Rt hero is worth to get for sure.

Lysander Freeman · Dec 17, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

i think the main point in this thread is:

Is Ritualist Hero worth the trouble and value (price of the 4 different gems) in comparison to its potential usefulness as a HERO in a party?

The answer atm is NO and its more like a vanity "item" currently more than anything else.

Edit: I agree, for someone without factions, its practically worthless.

I play a ritualist primary, and rits works best in pairs, it's a very effective profession. So yes, I'd think he's more than worth it because of the rarity of finding other rits and the headaches of getting someone else to work with you on a two-rit setup